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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

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  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  Originally built by Solomon in 966 B.C., the
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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  XQsThaiPoes, I came across the following site, it appears that the Christian Science are not locked on the 607 BC date. Nor does it have any other significance other than the time that God punished the Jews for their d isobedience .

  http://www.endtime.org/standard/vol12no2.html
  Volume 12, Number 2 ? November 2003 The Christian Science Standard THE LESSON OF THE GREAT TEMPLE AT JERUSALEM
  The history of the great Temple at Jerusalem illustrates the results of observing this law and the fatal consequences from rejecting it. The way to escape the judgment of God in these latter days is by adhering to this law and recognizing and acknowledging "the two anointed ones." Christian Scientists can escape the difficulties of these latter days by applying the lesson of the

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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  XQsThaiPoes

  For the most part, main stream Christians are not concerned with whether the temple was destroyed in 607 BC or 586 BC. That is because there is no authority that is established by it for these denomination by these dates. I was raised and joined the Methodist, as a teen attended a Presbyterian church (because of a girl), and when I was 31 start attending and joined the Christian Reformed Church (again a woman and now wife of 20 years). We talk about these dates as to when they occurred, but we never set anything significants to them as far as authority or prophecy for our denominations.

  We do look at prophecy, but for the most part we do not set a date for when it is suppose to happen. Example: Jesus is going to return and for the most part we beleive that it could happen before I post this or thousands of years from now. It does not matter to us when, we just beleive that He will return.

  Still trying to find out something about why the Christian Science (not a main stream Christian faith, they are concidered a cult) uses the 607 instead of the 586 date.

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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  Russell used 606 till he found out that there was no year zero ( 0 ).

  The WT could easily do the same if people insisted 586 was the only acceptable date. THe have already conceded enough by saying that is the "secular" date.

  Maybe they could, but so much of the authority for the current Faithful and Discreet Slave Class rides on this. They were the ones that changed the 2nd coming of Jesus from 1874 and Armageddon in 1914/15/18/25 to Jesus return in 1914 and Armageddon to 1940s/75/before the turn of the century. Do not forget that Rutherford and friends were released from prison 3.5 years after 1914. This would have to go away as one of the why us and not them reasons to join.

  Prehaps when the new Chieftain class is all that is on the GB they will change their stance on 607 BC.
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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  IMO means in my oppinion.

  XQsThaiPoes, Thanks, have seen that before and did not know what it meant. Triple A
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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  Can anyone tell me why Temple did not show any place that I typed it in the post. Used Word and than copyed and pasted it into the posting box.
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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  Triple A

  Of the three sites that you referenced only on the Christian Science page claims 607 as the destruction of

  
  Here is a christian science page that used 607 as the destuction of . http://www.trmi.com/38.htm
  607 BC / 4) Nebuchadnezzar destroys and the temple. This is pretty cut and dry, know argument here.

  Here is a LDS page that claims 605=607 and is the destruction of . http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/captivity.html
  A king of his own choice he appointed in the city (and) taking the vast tribute he brought it to ." [2] The king of his choice was Zedekiah (see 2 Kgs 24:17). The date mentioned corresponds to , on our calendar. Look at 2 Kings 25:8-9 and you find that the was destroyed in the nineteenth year of Nebuchadnezzar, which coincides with the 11 th year of Zedekiah (2 Kings 25:2). So the destruction would have happened in 597-11=586 BC.

  Here is a 605 page. http://www.ldolphin.org/Timesg.html
  587 Zedekiah rebels against Nebuchadnezzar. He is blinded and taken to where he dies. Zedekiah is the last king in the line of David to reign in until the Messiah reigns during the millennium (Ezekiel 34:23-24; Jeremiah 23:5; 2 Kings 24:18-25:21; 2 Chronicles 36:13-21; Jeremiah 39:1-8). Final siege and destruction of the on the 9th of Av (August) 586. Jeremiah taken to . The bolded text says that the was destroyed in 586. refers to Solomon?s .

  It is a good question why the Christian Science claims the destruction as 607 BC. It may or may not relate to 1914 for them. At the time they began was around 1850s and may have used the same materials that Russell used. Will look and see if I can find out why, unless someone posts the answer first.
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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  By the way they take a seven year prophecy and turn it into a 2520 year prophecy. One day is suppose to equal one year, so 7 * 360 = 2520 years. If you apply one day = one year rule to Daniel's prophecy in chapter 9:24-27, The tribulation would start around 22703 AD and Armageddon would 24593 with the Messiah thousand year reign.
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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  I did not say 607 is in the bible. I said other "christians" point to 607 as the beinging of 70 years of something.

  Sorry, I took the second sentence as connect to the first sentence as that the Bible specifically states 607 BC.

  Nebuchadnezzar comming to power is interpeted by some as the begining of the 70 years. WHat makes the watchtowers claim speacial?

  I have never heard anyone use the start of Nebuchadnezzar's reign as the start of the 70 years. Everything I have ever read uses the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple as the date to start counting the 70 years.

  If you do not count the 2520 years (taken from Daniel 4 prophecy about Nebuchadnezzar, that Daniel in 4:28-29 states, "All this happened...") starting in 607 BC you do not get Jesus' RETURN starting in 1914. If he did not return in 1914, he could not have selected the Internation Bible Students (Peoples Pulpit Association, future Watchtower Bible and Tract Society) as His Faithful and Discreet Slave. No authority given from Christ, the organization is just another group of men throwing their weight around.

  Also the watchtower does not need 607 for anything IMO. They can make up anydate and make what ever speculation they want. Look at 1975 a date based on the suppossed 6000 years of man.

  With authority as the Faithful and Discreet Slave, you are correct that they can make up anydate and make what ever speculation they want. But take that authority away and can they do the same?

  What does IMO stand for? Sorry I am a newbie
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  Can some one explain how 607 is wrong

  by XQsThaiPoes in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. this is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  the watchtower states in a few places 586 is the "real date" but they would make the bible wrong which is a no no.

  i know they have a vested interest in 607. i can't figure out why is this such a controversy.

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  THe watchtower and many others claim something happend in 607. This is based on the idea the bible is acurate.

  XQsThaiPoes,

  RandomTask reading suggestion is excellent, I am currently in the middle of this book myself. The Bible does not say that something happened in 607 BC. The vast majority of the historians say that 607 was the 1st year of Nebuchadnezzar. That would make the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple around 586 BC. The 586 BC date of course would undermine the WTBTS claim to authority given in 1919, so they are bound to the 607 BC date for the destruction no matter what evidence there is against it.

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